Baseball United charting a course for professionalism in the region, says Kash Shaikh

Baseball United charting a course for professionalism in the region, says Kash Shaikh
Baseball United founder Kash Shaikh (second left) credits the Dubai-based organization's progress to partnerships with some the games biggest names. (Supplied)
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Updated 30 August 2024
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Baseball United charting a course for professionalism in the region, says Kash Shaikh

Baseball United charting a course for professionalism in the region, says Kash Shaikh
  • Dubai-based organization’s founder, CEO and chairman spoke to Arab News about 3 signature events and potential for regional success
  • Teams from Saudi Arabia, UAE and Palestine will take part in the Arab Classic alongside India and Pakistan in November

DUBAI: At times, the dream of bringing professional baseball to the region must have seemed like a mirage in a desert.

The harder the man behind Dubai-based organization Baseball United tried, the more this vision seemed to fade.

But now, for Kash Shaikh, founder, chairman and CEO of Baseball United, three years of logistical challenges are almost over.

“I’m just really excited for the fans. I’m really proud of our team, grateful for the opportunity that after three years of working and grinding and building and pushing, and falling and failing and picking ourselves up, and still finding a way, that we’ve finally been able to chart a course and a path forward for professional baseball in the region,” said Shaikh.

He announced that Dubai would be the home for baseball with three “signature” events “that we have a vision for conducting every year, and hopefully growing and making bigger each year.”

The first of the three events is the Arab Classic, bringing together the biggest national teams from the region to compete in Dubai from Nov. 7 to 10, 2024.

The Baseball United Cup, with each of the current four franchises featuring professional players, follows from Feb. 22 to March 1, 2025.

Baseball United’s first full season, featuring the Mumbai Cobras, Karachi Monarchs, Arabia Wolves, Mid East Falcons, and a new, yet-to-be-announced Riyadh-based team, will then launch on Oct. 23, 2025.

“Our season, which is something that we’ve dreamed about for a long time and it sometimes didn’t seem possible, but thanks to the partners we have on the ground and just really the resilience of our team, we’ve been able to make it happen.”

In the three, often difficult years, what kept the dream alive for Shaikh was the potential he saw for baseball to grow in the Middle East and Asia.

“No doubt, I really believe that this region for sure is not only the future of sport, but it is the future for baseball. It has all the elements, all the ingredients that are needed to build a sport from the ground up, which is exactly what we’re doing.

“We’re creating the whole ecosystem, from the fields and facilities to the teams and the rosters to the equipment, the seating that’s needed, the broadcast partnerships, the sponsorship channels.”

Baseball United’s first event, the Dubai Showcase last November at the International Cricket Stadium, drew in crowds of almost 5,000 on each of its two days. The response from fans was overwhelmingly positive, said Shaikh.

“A marker of that potential is the response we’ve gotten from fans. You know, 4.7 out of 5 stars out of our showcase last year in terms of fan response.

“Thousands of people here in the UAE and Dubai messaging us saying that they believe in what we’re doing, they want to be a part of what we’re doing.”

The Arab Cup promises to attract even more fans from the Middle East with the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Palestine joining India and Pakistan.

“Right now we’ve actually had 12 teams from around the region asking us to participate. We’re planning to focus on eight,” Shaikh said.

“So the hardest cut I’m going to have to make is taking that 12 teams down to eight. You know, there’s a chance we may expand it. But even if we don’t, we’ll have eight teams that truly represent the breadth and depth of this region.”

Shaikh believes that one of the highlights will be the clash between India and Pakistan, as it is often in any sporting field. Others will bring Arab teams under the spotlight.

“You’ve got teams that are representing the UAE and Saudi Arabia as well,” he added. “They’ve never played in a national team format in history. Saudi’s federation is the newest baseball federation, just formed in 2019.

“They’ve never played an official national team match game before. And now they get to here in the region. So it’s going to be a really big deal.”

“We’ve already been getting a lot of messages from embassies from each of these countries wanting to participate, wanting to get their local fans out there.”

The Arab Classic will be adopting World Baseball Classic rules and a format that sees two groups of four competing, with the top two in each advancing to the semifinals.

The Dubai Showcase last season fell on the same weekend as the Formula One Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, but Shaikh said fans can expect even more this year.

“One thing that was very important to me and our team is that no matter what we do, we know this is a long-term play, but we’ve got to do something for the fans in 2024. That to me was the biggest factor to say, let’s host this in November.”

“(The Arab Classic) will be a little bit less than a year from our last event. It’s a great, almost ceremonial next step for the game. Now we get to do it with national teams representing some of the biggest countries here, so it’s going to be very exciting.”

On the Baseball United Cup with the Mumbai Cobras, Karachi Monarchs, Arabia Wolves and Mid East Falcons, he said: “These teams are full of some of the best professional baseball players in the world, former Yankees and Dodgers and Red Sox.”

“We drafted these teams about a year ago, but nobody has seen them in their full, kitted-out uniforms with their full teams on the field. It’s going to be historic in a lot of ways. It’s going to be a smaller format, a round-robin format, plus playoffs.”

A total of 10 games will be played across eight days in February, in many ways a dress rehearsal for the launch of Baseball United’s inaugural season later in the year.

“This is the big thing from the beginning,” he said. “The season gives me goosebumps, because it’s something we’ve been dreaming about. And trying to figure out, you know, what are the right number of franchises.”

“What we decided on is five franchises. Our first four, Mumbai, Karachi, Arabia, and Mid East, plus a new Riyadh franchise that we’ll announce in early 2025, which I’m very excited about.”

Each team will play 12 games, and then after the regular season, the top two will play in a three-game series, to crown the champions. “Overall, it’s going to be 33 games in 32 days here in Dubai, so it’s a huge sprint,” said Shaikh.

“It’s a crazy, ambitious undertaking for us. It’s funny, on one end, for baseball it’s not a lot of games because 12 games per team for baseball is really just a blink.

“I mean, baseball is typically played every day for eight, nine months out of the year. Major League Baseball teams play 162 games each. So 12 games is small, but we’re a small, growing league.

“We wanted to create the right footprint, and honestly, we wanted to learn how and if and when, and to what extent we can get folks here in Dubai to come out to support.”

The next big challenge according to Shaikh is to create a product that fans will return to repeatedly, as opposed to showing up for a once-a-year marquee event or weekend.

“If we can, there’s a huge, huge potential and a huge trajectory for this league, for the community, for young kids, for development, for the ecosystem,” he said.

“Think about how many jobs something like this creates, how many opportunities. When we talk about baseball, we’re talking about grounds crew, facilities, coaches, umpires, statisticians, scorekeepers, broadcasters, equipment managers.”

“There’s so much medical staff, nutrition staff. We’re really building the whole infrastructure from a whole economic perspective. So it’s much more than the bottom line for us.”

One of things exciting Shaikh most will be the release of the teams’ merchandise, which he calls “iconic” and a part of “Americana culture.”

“When people see the Arabia Wolves gear, Mumbai Cobras, that’s when fans’ passion really starts to come to life. That’s how I fell in love with baseball.”

Shaikh believes Baseball United now has the “highest pedigree of ownership group” in terms of on-field play, in all of professional sports.

“Right now we have 20 of the best baseball players in history who’ve invested in Baseball United, who are co-owners of Baseball United, who’ve not only put their money, but their time, their energy, their resources, their social media accounts behind what we’re doing,” he said.

“I mean, in the early days when we started, it gave us instant credibility. Today, as we continue to grow, it creates instant fanfare for us.”

“There’s no way we’d be where we are without those guys,” he added. “They bring over 300 years of Major League Baseball knowledge and game play into the organization. And it’s just a huge blessing for us to work with them.”

Shaikh highlighted that a big part of Baseball United’s philosophy is the interaction of players with fans. This was shown at the Showcase last November when both rosters took time to sign autographs and pose for photos with young fans.

The former players are also involved in promoting the game at grassroots level. “They threw out the first pitch at Dubai Little League,” said Shaikh.

“It’s incredible, that doesn’t happen. But because of Baseball United and because these legends were able to offer fans that type of experience."

 


Curry dazzles on Thompson’s return at Chase Center as Warriors down Mavs

Curry dazzles on Thompson’s return at Chase Center as Warriors down Mavs
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Curry dazzles on Thompson’s return at Chase Center as Warriors down Mavs

Curry dazzles on Thompson’s return at Chase Center as Warriors down Mavs
  • The 34-year-old was given a guard of honor by cheering Golden State staff upon his arrival at the Chase Center before fans wearing nautical caps roared their appreciation for the player
  • Joel Embiid made his long-awaited first appearance of the season but was unable to prevent the Philadelphia 76ers from sliding to a 111-99 defeat to the New York Knicks

LOS ANGELES: Stephen Curry scored 37 points as the Golden State Warriors spoiled Klay Thompson’s return to the Bay Area with a thrilling 120-117 victory over the Dallas Mavericks in the opening round of the NBA Cup on Tuesday.

Thompson — a beloved member of four NBA championship-winning Golden State teams before joining Dallas in July — received a rapturous welcome in his first game back in San Francisco since his departure.

The 34-year-old was given a guard of honor by cheering Golden State staff upon his arrival at the Chase Center before fans wearing nautical caps roared their appreciation for the player who famously used to commute to work in his fishing boat.

But despite delighting the home crowd with six three-pointers in a 22-point haul, Thompson was upstaged by former teammate Curry who produced a stunning fourth-quarter performance to drag the Warriors over the line.

The Mavericks looked poised to snatch victory after battling into a six-point lead at 114-108 with just over three minutes remaining.

But Curry then took over with 10 unanswered points — including one sensational step-back three from 28 feet — to put Golden State into a 118-114 lead, before adding two late free throws to seal the win.

“There was a lot of emotion but both teams wanted to win,” Curry told TNT television. “It was a playoff-like atmosphere, with great players making great plays. That’s why we love the competition.”

Luka Doncic led Dallas’s scorers with 31 points while Kyrie Irving added 21.

In other games, Joel Embiid made his long-awaited first appearance of the season but was unable to prevent the Philadelphia 76ers from sliding to a 111-99 defeat to the New York Knicks.

Embiid missed the first six games of the season as the team managed his rehabilitation from a left knee injury, and was suspended for three games after a locker room altercation with a journalist.

Embiid’s lack of game time was apparent in a sluggish performance that saw him finish with 13 points, five assists and three rebounds.

“He was a little rusty,” Sixers coach Nick Nurse said.

“But I thought he played with some pretty good competitive spirit for what he can do out there.”

With Embiid not firing on all cylinders, the Knicks dominated for long periods, leading for almost the entirety of the game before pulling away in the fourth quarter, outscoring the Sixers 33-24.

Karl-Anthony Towns impressed with 21 points, 13 rebounds and six assists while O.G. Anunoby led the scoring with 24 points.

In Boston, the Atlanta Hawks pulled off the shock of the opening round, defeating the in-form Celtics 117-116 despite missing injured talisman Trae Young.

A game which saw the lead change hands 14 times looked to have swung decisively in favor of the home side midway through the third quarter as the Celtics raced into a 15-point lead.

But Dyson Daniels led a late rally which included 11 points in the fourth quarter, and Onyeka Okongwu tipped in the winning basket with 6.1sec left on the clock to snatch victory.

Daniels led Atlanta’s scorers with 28 points while Larry Nance Jr. added 19 with Jalen Johnson and Clint Capela chipping in with 18 points each.

The victory was sweet for Atlanta, who had suffered a 123-93 mauling by the Celtics at home on Nov. 4.

Boston coach Joe Mazzulla said Atlanta “outplayed us in every facet of the game.”

“They beat us on all the margins and they deserved to win,” Mazzulla said.

Elsewhere, the Phoenix Suns downed the Utah Jazz 120-112 while the Milwaukee Bucks beat Toronto 99-85.

The NBA Cup was introduced last season as a way of providing a knockout competition in the early months of the league season.

All 30 league teams are drawn into six groups of five, with eight teams advancing to single-elimination knockout rounds, with the semifinals and final taking place in Las Vegas on Dec. 14-17.


NEOM McLaren drivers in top form at Formula E testing in Madrid

NEOM McLaren drivers in top form at Formula E testing in Madrid
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NEOM McLaren drivers in top form at Formula E testing in Madrid

NEOM McLaren drivers in top form at Formula E testing in Madrid
  • After 6 successful seasons of racing in Diriyah, the contest will debut at Jeddah Corniche Circuit Feb. 14-15

MADRID: NEOM McLaren driver Taylor Barnard finished in the top five at the official pre-season test of the 2024-2025 ABB FIA Formula E World Championship at Madrid’s Jarama Circuit last week, which is fitting preparation for next month’s Brazil E-Prix.

All 22 drivers and 11 teams — including NEOM McLaren — headed out onto the track for the first and only time before the season-opening Sao Paulo E-Prix on Dec. 7.

After six successful seasons in Diriyah, Jeddah was announced as the new host city for the race at the iconic Corniche Circuit for the first time on Feb. 14 and 15.

The shift to Jeddah reflects Formula E’s commitment to innovation and sustainability and aligns with Saudi Arabia’s vision for the future of sports in the Kingdom.

The championship’s fastest race car yet — the GEN3 Evo — is capable of 0-100 kph, which is 30 percent faster than the current F1 car.

Barnard — the 20-year-old Brit who secured his first full-time Formula E race seat with NEOM McLaren for this 2024-2025 season — finished the test in 1 minute, 27.780 seconds, just 0.319 seconds off the fastest lap set by Jaguar TCS Racing’s Mitch Evans.

“We have had a great three full days testing, and I feel it was a very positive test for the NEOM McLaren Formula E Team,” he said. “I’ve set some strong lap times today and Sam’s (Bird) pace has been very strong throughout the test.

“We have completed all the items we needed to test with no reliability issues, which is very positive. I’m very happy we were able to go testing this week in Madrid, following the terrible tragedy in Valencia.

“Our deepest sympathies go out to those affected by this awful disaster. Now, I’m ready to go racing. I’m happy with the settings on the car and the team environment — bring on Sao Paulo.”

His Neom McLaren teammate, Bird, finished further down the grid in P18, with a time of 1:28.529.

“I am very pleased with the work we have done in Madrid. We have finished our program with no major issues, which is a great confidence boost for the NEOM McLaren Formula E Team,” said the British driver.

“My thoughts and prayers go out the people affected by the tragedy in Valencia, and I am very grateful for the work the whole Formula E paddock has put in to enable us to go testing at Jarama this week.

“Going into the first race in Sao Paulo, I feel excited and optimistic about the season ahead, and I’m looking forward to getting out there in a month’s time.”

Evans drove the quickest over the 4,731 total laps and 18,512 km completed in the six three-hour test sessions across four days — with the New Zealander setting a lap time of 1:27.461.

The Jaguar driver set the pace during the final morning’s running on Friday, with the entire field split by a little over a second on the overall timesheet.

Reigning champion Pascal Wehrlein was third in the running in the latest factory Porsche 99X Electric. He split the impressive Porsche-powered Kiro Race Co pair of Dan Ticktum and David Beckmann who sat second and fourth, respectively, using the season-10-specification powertrain.

In a strong showing, Zane Maloney, new to Formula E this season and the grid’s only full debutant, found himself mid-pack on the timing screens. The Lola Yamaha ABT driver from Barbados enters the series from FIA Formula 2.


UAE’s Commando Group sets the pace as Abu Dhabi World Masters Jiu-Jitsu Championship kicks off

UAE’s Commando Group sets the pace as Abu Dhabi World Masters Jiu-Jitsu Championship kicks off
Updated 13 November 2024
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UAE’s Commando Group sets the pace as Abu Dhabi World Masters Jiu-Jitsu Championship kicks off
  • Competition for veterans is part of ongoing 16th Abu Dhabi World Professional Jiu-Jitsu Championship at Mubadala Arena

ABU DHABI: The UAE’s Commando Group have continued their successful run on the seventh day of the Abu Dhabi World Professional Jiu-Jitsu Championship, which is taking place at Mubadala Arena until Nov. 16.

The Abu Dhabi World Masters Jiu-Jitsu Championship began on Tuesday, featuring purple and brown belts. At the end of the day, Commando Group topped the medal table, followed by MOD UAE in second, and the Kazakhstan National Academy in third.

The day also featured qualifying matches for the masters’ men’s and women’s black- and brown-belt contests, with competitors vying for Wednesday’s final-round spots.

Mohamed Salem Al-Dhaheri, vice chairman of the UAE Jiu-Jitsu Federation, said: “The masters category is a key part of the Abu Dhabi World Professional Jiu-Jitsu Championship, with athletes demonstrating challenge and determination, inspiring new generations in the sport.”

One of the guests of honor, the Abu Dhabi Fund for Development’s Deputy Director-General Khalifa Abdullah Al-Qubaisi, said: “We are proud to organize an event of this scale in our capital, Abu Dhabi, and to witness its growth each year into a true celebration of sport.

“We greatly appreciate the UAE Jiu-Jitsu Federation’s efforts in promoting and advancing the sport, especially with the achievements of our sons and daughters at both local and international levels.”

Cobra Fitness’ Jyri Heinonen, who won gold in the 94 kg Men’s GI/Brown/Master 4 category, was delighted at his performance.

“I’ve been planning to come to Abu Dhabi and compete in the championships here for a long time, and I decided to enter this year’s Abu Dhabi World Professional Jiu-Jitsu Championship.

“I’m thrilled to have secured first place. I spent a lot of time training and preparing, and even continued training in Abu Dhabi with many skilled competitors, gaining valuable experience,” he said.

“I’ve competed in many tournaments across Europe, but I’ve never seen one of this scale. The experience was incredible in every way, so I’ll be back for next year’s edition.”


Caitlin Clark steps off the court and onto the fairway to play in an LPGA pro-am

Caitlin Clark steps off the court and onto the fairway to play in an LPGA pro-am
Updated 13 November 2024
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Caitlin Clark steps off the court and onto the fairway to play in an LPGA pro-am

Caitlin Clark steps off the court and onto the fairway to play in an LPGA pro-am
  • The WNBA rookie of the year star was invited to take part in Wednesday’s pro-am at Pelican Golf Club ahead of The Annika
  • This will be her second pro-am, which often attracts athletes and entertainers

BELLEAIR, Florida: Caitlin Clark has one goal when she plays in an LPGA pro-am.

“I’ve tried to practice as much as I can,” Clark said Tuesday. “I’m just the average golfer. I’m going to hit some good, I’m going to hit some bad. ... Just going to try not to hit anyone standing outside of the ropes. But it’ll be fun.”

The WNBA rookie of the year star was invited to take part in Wednesday’s pro-am at Pelican Golf Club ahead of The Annika. The presenting sponsor is Gainbridge, which has an endorsement deal with Clark.

She took part in an LPGA Women’s Leadership Summit with Sorenstam, the tournament host, and former model and business leader Kathy Ireland.

Clark will be playing the front nine with Nelly Korda, the No. 1 player in the women’s ranking who has clinched the LPGA’s player of the year award. She plays the back nine with Sorenstam, who retired in 2008 and now dabbles in senior golf.

Clark had said after the Indiana Fever were eliminated from the WNBA playoffs that she planned to play golf until it became too cold in Indiana, adding with a smile, “Become a professional golfer.”

Yes, she was kidding.

“I’ve tried to take as much time as I can to practice, but there is only so much hope. You just cross your fingers, pray,” she said Tuesday. “No, I’ve practiced a little bit and I just had the quote about becoming a professional golfer. Everybody thought I was serious. I was not serious. I love it. I love being outside and making it competitive with my friends.

“It’s challenging and getting to come here and be around the best and have a good time is what I’m looking forward to.”

This will be her second pro-am, which often attracts athletes and entertainers. Clark played in the pro-am at the John Deere Classic in July 2023 when she was still at Iowa.


Analysis: Bernhard Langer and his 18 straight years of winning is among golf’s untouchable records

Analysis: Bernhard Langer and his 18 straight years of winning is among golf’s untouchable records
Updated 13 November 2024
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Analysis: Bernhard Langer and his 18 straight years of winning is among golf’s untouchable records

Analysis: Bernhard Langer and his 18 straight years of winning is among golf’s untouchable records
  • Langer finished his year with a feat as impressive as any, if not more
  • Langer’s Charles Schwab Cup Championship victory makes it 18 consecutive years with at least one win on the 50-and-older circuit, where time is the greatest adversary

Winning doesn’t get old. Neither, apparently, does Bernhard Langer.

In a year when Scottie Scheffler delivered a level of dominance not seen since Tiger Woods and Xander Schauffele won two majors, when Nelly Korda tied an LPGA record by winning five straight times and Lydia Ko got into the LPGA Hall of Fame by winning Olympic gold, Langer finished his year with a feat as impressive as any, if not more.

Winless for the first time since the 67-year-old Langer became eligible for the PGA Tour Champions in 2007, he was down to the final tournament on a Phoenix Country Club course where he had never finished within five shots of the winner.

“One more putt,” caddie Terry Holt told him on the 18th green, and Langer holed a 30-foot birdie putt for a 66 — his third straight day shooting his age or lower — for a one-shot victory in the Charles Schwab Cup Championship.

That makes it 18 consecutive years with at least one win on the 50-and-older circuit, where time is the greatest adversary. No other league has a shorter shelf life for success. For every year that skills deteriorate, a new batch of younger players (relatively speaking) arrive.

Consider this: The year Langer joined the PGA Tour Champions in 2007, Padraig Harrington won the first of his three major championships. Langer finished 10 shots ahead of the Irishman on Sunday.

The record for consecutive years winning on the PGA Tour is 17, held by Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. They were in their 40s when the streak ended, not pushing 70.

“The commitment, the dedication and desire to compete at a high level blows my mind,” said Mark O’Meara, a runner-up to Langer in the German’s first Champions win in 2007. “A lot of things happen in sport. I understand what Tiger did, what Nicklaus did, Palmer, all the greats that come before us. But what this man has done for 18 years is amazing. Forget the money. Just to have the desire and will.

“I don’t see it happening again. I truly don’t.”

O’Meara, who now lives in Las Vegas, wouldn’t get very good odds of this record being broken.

It belongs among the untouchable record in golf, just shy of Byron Nelson winning 11 tournaments in a row on the PGA Tour in 1945, probably greater than Woods making 142 consecutive cuts over seven years.

Langer set the record for oldest winner on the PGA Tour Champions in 2021 when he was 64. He has broken his record five times since then, most recently on Sunday. He defied more than age this year.

Remember, Langer began the year by tearing his left Achilles tendon while playing pickleball and missed three months. That he missed only three months was remarkable in itself. And then there’s the motivation of coming back from such an injury at this stage in life.

He already had broken the one PGA Tour Champions record thought to be out of reach, 45 career wins by the fiercely competitive Hale Irwin. Langer won his record-breaking 46th last year at no less than the US Senior Open against Steve Stricker (who is 10 years younger).

Langer knew what was at stake in Phoenix. He knew it was his last chance. Langer wasn’t about to let it go that easily. He forged a 54-hole tie, birdied five of his six opening holes on Sunday to build a big lead and then watched it disappear until he came to the last hole tied with Steven Alker.

Langer was in the trees, punched out and hit wedge to 30 feet. The putt was stuff of legend, perfect pace and a perfect line that slid gently to the right at the last minute into the cup. Langer dropped his putter and slung his visor to the ground, emotion rarely seen in either of his two Masters wins.

“It did just perfectly what it needed to do and disappeared,” he said. “Then all hell broke loose kind of emotionally. So it was pretty wild, yeah.”

How does he do it? It’s a question Langer has been asked for the better part of the last decade, because most great players graduating to the PGA Tour Champions make their hay in the first eight years at the most, not 18.

It’s actually the second time Langer has strung together 18 consecutive years of winning. His first was in 1980 on the European tour in the British Masters when he was a 22-year-old with wavy blond hair from a country with next to no history in golf. He won the German Masters for the third time at age 50 in 1997, and then the streak ended in 1998.

It’s even more impressive to do it at his age. Langer spent 30 years working, grinding, winning. He turned 50 and worked just as hard with a body that doesn’t cooperate like it once did.

“You can still work, but are you living it like you used to?” Curtis Strange said. “Physically, we can play pretty well. We can all beat balls. But can you be into it 25 times a year? I marvel at Bernhard. It’s incredible stuff.”

Even more amazing? There’s always next year.

“People say why am I still playing? Well, this is why,” Langer said after collecting his 47th trophy on the PGA Tour Champions, to go along with two Masters green jackets, another PGA Tour win, 40 wins on the European tour, victories on every continent where golf is played.

“I enjoy the adrenaline. I enjoy being in the hunt. And I still feel like I can win and be there on the leaderboard,” he said. “I’ve just proven that again, becoming the oldest winner again and again out here. It’s been great to compete against these guys.

“It never gets old.”